Whoever wins we lose 2004
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the more I research the candidates
and pay attention to election coverage
in the hope of making an educated and good decision
about who I am going to vote for
the more disgusted
I become with both candidates
so
I've decided
to honor our capitalist system
by allowing the free market to decide
who I vote for this November
yep that's right
my vote is up for sale
offers may be submitted until Sept 27th, 2004
and may be enumerated in either
legal tender or barter of goods and services
evaluation of all bids is solely at my discretion
payment must be received before I exercise my right to vote
for your candidate of choice on Oct 27th, 2004
verification that my vote was placed for candidate of your choice
will be provided on that date.
This will be a blind balloting process so all bids will remain screened
Any Questions?
Submit your bids
the more I research the candidates
and pay attention to election coverage
in the hope of making an educated and good decision
about who I am going to vote for
the more disgusted
I become with both candidates
so
I've decided
to honor our capitalist system
by allowing the free market to decide
who I vote for this November
yep that's right
my vote is up for sale
offers may be submitted until Sept 27th, 2004
and may be enumerated in either
legal tender or barter of goods and services
evaluation of all bids is solely at my discretion
payment must be received before I exercise my right to vote
for your candidate of choice on Oct 27th, 2004
verification that my vote was placed for candidate of your choice
will be provided on that date.
This will be a blind balloting process so all bids will remain screened
Any Questions?
Submit your bids
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Date: 2004-09-06 11:43 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-06 11:46 am (UTC)giving you a hundred november votes
in exchange for your october vote
was one of my better ideas
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Date: 2004-09-06 12:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-06 01:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-07 02:35 am (UTC)While I will conceed Kerry is mostly void, I have strong suspicions that his leanings would make him less likely to fuck things up as bad a four more years...
BTW, have you tried to put your vote on Ebay?
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Date: 2004-09-07 06:35 am (UTC)while I have never liked Bush at least with him I feel like it is a known evil.
with Kerry, I just dont know what I am getting, I get a strong sleezy vibe (from a politician, imagine that) and when I hear him talk it doesnt click with me.
about the only issues I can actually put Kerry in a position on are Iraq and the War on Terror, and in both of those, I disagree with him.
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Date: 2004-09-07 06:42 am (UTC)If we were truly, in eminate danger of catastrophic terror attacks, they'd have happened by now. While I think the US is definately a target, it isn't any more so than it was back in 93 when the WTC was bombed, or in 99 when they stopped the bombing of LAX...
It isn't possible to actually 'prove' that dubya's policies have actually reduced the threat. It is not, however unreasonable to argue that by monumentally fucking up in Iraq we could have turned at least one more person who would have otherwise lived his life with complete appothy to US policies into a jihadist...
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Date: 2004-09-07 07:31 am (UTC)Safety especially in a huge free nation like US is entirely an illusion. Neither Bush nor Kerry can protect us from terrorist attacks, nor can anyone else, so the point is moot imho.
The only form of security we can have is through fear of swift and terrible retaliation and even that will only disuade 90% of the assholes out there.
The more we appear like pussies and vacilate with international opinion, the more likely we are to be victims of terror. Look at Russia, they cave to international pressure on Chechnia and their schoolchildren take it up the ass as a result.
We are unable, no strike that, we are unwilling to do what it would require to end terrorism, as such we cannot end it, however we can disuade all but the most committed from the practice.
Quite frankly, the war in Iraq, all of my issues with it aside, is one of the few of Bush's policies I support.
Bottom line for me is that life is better in Iraq than it was under Saddam
That some Iraqis are ungrateful bastards doesnt resonate with me as a failure of Bush's.
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Date: 2004-09-07 08:01 am (UTC)While I agree that if you truly wanted to end islamic jihad as a form of terroism, wholesale killing is really the only way... You will, unfortunately open up a pandora's box in the level of cruelty others will feel compelled to level against us (so as to not meet the same fate).
I still think the best approach would cut the entire middle east loose, Israel be damned. Either of two outcomes would then occur: 1) the arabs would over run Israel, MANY jews would flee and then the people living there would realize that the Jews really aren't the cause of their problems... leading to widespread revolt and a utter caos in the oil markets 2) Israel would prevail, slaughtering 90% of the arabs leaving the utter caos in the oil markets.
IMHO the problem isn't with ideology, it's with oil. If oil (and our thirst, and ability to pay whateverthefuck for it) hadn't pushed us to take the shortest path to political stability hadn't distorted beyond any sustainable measure the normal social evolution of those countries, they would have at one time, learned to play fucking nice with their neighbors WAY before it got so out of hand... Either that, or it really is God's will, he is making either the Christians, the Jews or the Muslims suffer, we just can't tell which side he really favors yet.
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Date: 2004-09-07 08:43 am (UTC)[which is not to say additional body count, for that is quite easy to envision]
Cutting the middle east loose at this point wouldnt result in a war with Israel, because Israel is just a flash point, a distraction for the masses, the leaders are not being held back by US support for Israel, they do not want a war with Israel for three reasons.
1)Israel has Nuclear weapons
2)Israel has Nuclear weapons
3)Your point about what happens if the arabs won.
Of course, your point there is best case scenario for the Arabs, and I can tell you most directly, If Israel loses, the middle east will be a glowing pit of black glass for the next million years. If Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, or Beersheva are threaten by enemy troops, Israel will employ tactical and strategic nuclear weapons to defend its populations centers.
For any Arab government, war with Israel is a lose/lose situation so while they may play skirmish games, a full scale war is unlikely, even with the new fancy US armaments they've been buying.
If Israel was allowed a overwhelming victory (something the US will never allow to happen today) not much would change, Israel cant strategically expand its borders more than about 200 miles leaving most of the Arab/muslim world entirely untouched by the conflict, and we'd be back to the negotiated solutions problem once again, only temporarily without the existence of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan or Egypt. None of which have significant oil reserves, so it would be back to business as usual pretty quick.
What you have to understand, is that the core reason Americans are hated in the rest of the world, whether it be Greece, Peru, or Iran (and we are hated in all of those places and more) is not because of what we do or have done specifically but because of what we are able to do.
Our poorest people live a life of luxury beyond the comprehension of most of the worlds population.
Sure every time we fuck up foreign policy, or give it to some country in the ass, we give them another reason, but that isnt the core problem.
Emotionally they can understand us fucking them, they may not like it, but they would do the same thing if they had the ability so they can understand it. what they cannot forgive us for is having the ability to fuck them.
This is especially problematic in places, like the muslim world, which have a strong traditional belief and value system, because they are saying to their people:
"This is the best way to live, and god will reward you for living this life"
They believe that their superior way of life should result in their being the boss, and it hasnt so they are pissed.
The existence of America, her wealth and power, threaten this; After all why wait till heaven for 72 virgins when you can have them now.
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Date: 2004-09-08 04:25 am (UTC)I don't recall hearing that they'd taken to torturing them and puting the video on the internet... The depths of human cruelty is limited only by their imagination, which is, of course boundless.
1)Israel has Nuclear weapons
but dont't they have them because we gave them the processing/uranium to make them in the 50's? Since the end of the cold war the US wants the Jews there for two reasons:
1) It provides a focal point for our SOBs in other parts of the region to distract their masses from their atrocities (thus keeping a flow of cheap oil that would be impossible if we waited for a social order to develop that would provide a society stable enough for us to get it otherwise
2) Some of the more radical Christian elements are CONVINCED that Jesus won't return until every Jew is back in Israel.
It is these two points (and these alone, really) that have motivated 'dubya to turn their heads with sharon. I think it is absurd to believe that this administration (or any other, really) is motivated by any other reasons to give a shit about Israel.
What you have to understand, is that the core reason Americans are hated in the rest of the world, whether it be Greece, Peru, or Iran (and we are hated in all of those places and more) is not because of what we do or have done specifically but because of what we are able to do.
I can't believe people are that petty. I think it is because of shit like this. I remember reading a year or so ago about how subsidies to a farmer on the mississippi delta cotton farmer that allowed him to continue to profitably work hundreds of thousands of acres of cotton were directly responsible for the starvation of hundreds of subsistence cotton farmers in africa because of the glut of high quality cotton priced thier shitty cotton too low...
People hate us because we are spoiled, self-centered pigs who think the world owes us more than we deserve, and we will stop at NOTHING to get it...
Stepping in here...
Date: 2004-09-07 08:28 am (UTC)Here's the only thing my sorry republican registered democratic voting self can come up with: We've always known that Shrub isn't smart enough to rub two nickels together. He is artfully managed by the private interests that hold him.. and while I am not stupid enough to say Kerry isn't owned by any he may, I have hope, at least not be owned by the same ones. We break up the seat of power on a group of individuals who say things like suspending the presidential election is a good thing...
That doesn't decided anything for me really it just makes me wonder what decides it for me is access to abortion. I will likely never be in a positions to need one. I've a good repoire with my doctor, safe sexual practices, a supportive family.. Working with the meth-baby population and knowing that many of those woman would have gladly had an abortion if there had been any less stigma and just a little more access there would not now be this drain on our resources. Several states now see women having to cross as many as three state lines before they can get the procedure performed.. Now neither of you, reasonably well off males, will probably never have to worry about this.. or if your partner is, worry about being able to relocate to where an appropriate physician can be found, but as a socail issue this is enough of a difference to decide my vote.