Date: 2004-07-24 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lima-pcp.livejournal.com
Careful, man... He got a 1600 on his SAT... without studying!!!

Date: 2004-07-24 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
*grin*

and I scored a 1400 on my PSATs without knowing algebra

but it is neither relevant nor meaningful
[even if it is true]

Date: 2004-07-24 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lima-pcp.livejournal.com
Anyone can pass a test... But it is quite telling that while claiming to have a superior grasp of knowledge, he fails even to understand what a basic ad hominem is... tsk tsk.

Date: 2004-07-24 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
indeed

in fact my test taking skill have always vastly outstripped my algrebra skill, but some would have you believe that my score on both the SATs and PSATs indicated a high level of functionality with Algebra.

and the latter part I found most humourous

Date: 2004-07-25 09:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
Meh...show me where I claimed to have a superior grasp on knowledge.

"making assertions without supporting them does imply a diminished intellectual capacity"

Was I incorrect in seeing this as a sort of attack within a comment which put forth no other argument?

Besides, the worst you can say is that I applied the concept badly. plural claimed that I used an ad hominem in defense of myself, despite "ad hominem" translating to "against the man," and being defined as an attempt to discredit another person in lieu of putting forth an argument...you've not mentioned that.

Date: 2004-07-25 09:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
hahaha...so plural's the only one who can say things he doesn't mean in order to draw people out? I even said later that I was bored and wanted to see reactions to that (in fact, the entire argument ended up being focused on that rather than the "discrimination" bit), but nobody seems to have picked up on that.

I still don't think anyone showed that a person can do that without at least understanding logic, they just said I was stupid without showing why.

Date: 2004-07-24 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ludimagist.livejournal.com
Why is it that logic is suspended as soon as race and gender are invoked?

Date: 2004-07-24 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
because people are unable to control their emotions enough to rationally address and assail an argument.

Instead they sputter and flail, which is quite humourous in my opinion

Date: 2004-07-24 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ludimagist.livejournal.com
It used to annoy me a lot. Then I learned to speak postmodern academic and break them apart in their own language and was amused by it. I have some stories from NYU that are both terrifying and/or amusing depending on one's take.

As I head back into academia I need to be really really wary of it. In logic and historical fact I trust however.

Date: 2004-07-24 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
*grin*

for me it cheap amusement
[as I dont have cable television]

especially since the arguments they throw themselves against, while logically sound in the careful way I phrase them are easily circumvented if one could just calm down enough to think clearly and logically about them.

as this fellow unlike more, did eventually discover, but only after sixteen blathering attempts.

Date: 2004-07-25 09:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
you'll note that most of the comments in between were made for the purpose of self-defense. the topic shifted away from your original comment.

Date: 2004-07-25 11:28 am (UTC)

Date: 2004-07-24 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maffewk.livejournal.com
hahah

Tools.

Date: 2004-07-24 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
indeed

but cheap thrills are all I got
seeing as I dont have cable television
to amuse myself

Date: 2004-07-25 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
Download emulators and play Final Fantasy games. That's what I did most of the time between your comments.

Are you still under the impression that I was serious about the SAT bit? I'll admit that you did draw me into an argument, but I usually do the same with other people. In this case, I got a little complacent since you didn't set yourself apart from the usual livejournal user until after the SAT comment, with which I dug a hole people wouldn't let me get out of. It's good mental exercise, and a way to kill time.

Date: 2004-07-25 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
you are a bore sir

have a nice day

Date: 2004-07-25 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
bah

get thee to a nunnery

Date: 2004-07-25 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
I doubt they could entertain me.

Date: 2004-07-25 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
why am I not surprised that you did not understand the referrence

come back when you have anything remotely resembling an education

Date: 2004-07-25 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
I recognized it, but wasn't sure what it was a reference to. I figured I could kill more time by taking it literally.

Unless the nunnery was equipped with a PlayStation 2 or a whole bunch of books outside the religious ones I'm sure they have, I'd probably spontaneously combust out of boredom.

Date: 2004-07-25 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
recognizing != understanding

thank you for reinforcing my second point most amply

Date: 2004-07-25 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
Naw, dawg. I recognized it because I've heard it somewhere before, but I don't remember where, so I left it alone.

Even if I hadn't understood it, it doesn't mean I have not education. Silly.

Date: 2004-07-25 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
Actually you did not recognize it, that would require you knowing what it was, i.e. where it was a quote from.

You recalled hearing such words before.

That you did not recognize it, is indeed a sign of an inadequate education.

I suggest that you spend less time mastubating with your playstation, and instead make a minimal attempt to educate yourself

Date: 2004-07-25 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
hahaha...impeccable logic. So one must have read "Romeo and Juliet" to recognize "Wherefore art thou," and forgetting is the same as not knowing? Nice.

I'll just leave the "not knowing a given line means you're inadequately educated" bit alone, since I can most likely quote various lines you wouldn't recognize, or have forgotten...not to mention that education is not solely based on plays (which I am thinking that line is from)

Jesus loves you

Date: 2004-07-25 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
No, but one must know it is a line from "Romeo and Juliet" in order to recognize it.

Otherwise it is merely recalling a phrase.

knowledge is only relevant when it is possessed, forgotten knowledge fails that mark.

and

actually no he doesnt

afterall, I am a christkiller

Date: 2004-07-25 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
But Jesus also loved the Romans.

Date: 2004-07-25 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
perhaps

but apparently not you

Date: 2004-07-25 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
yeah, I TOTALLY got a 1600 on my SAT without Jesus loving me

Date: 2004-07-25 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
now that sir

is a logically sound argument

Date: 2004-07-25 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
LOLEANDER

I'm thinking that same argument will somehow allow me to conquer the world with only a spork and a Nerf ball as weaponry.

Date: 2004-07-25 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
do not forget your eyepatch

one would be in a sorry shape without that

Date: 2004-07-25 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
But of course, that is what conceals my electronic laser eye.

Date: 2004-07-25 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
that does explain many things quite nicely

Date: 2004-07-25 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
yes, such as my typing speed

Date: 2004-07-25 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
ah, irony

*have no

Date: 2004-07-25 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevermind6794.livejournal.com
haha WTF??? haha

Date: 2004-07-25 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thesheryl.livejournal.com
WTF? "How do you breathe with your head so far up your ass?" springs to mind but adds nothing to the logic of the debate. Even if it is apt.

Date: 2004-07-25 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plural.livejournal.com
that would explain the crap coming out of his mouth however

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