a maybe not so crazy idea
Nov. 8th, 2000 05:36 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
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If Bush takes Florida that will give him enough
Electoral votes (271) to become president
but he will have lost the popular vote
If Gore takes Oregon
that will put him at 267 Electoral votes
just three shy of the 270 needed to win
now technically
the electoral college is supposed
to vote in accordance with the results
of the state balloting
and all but two states have a law
which establishes a winner take all
in respect to the electoral vote
which means whomever wins
the popular vote
for that state gets all of the votes
Now the electoral college
is not required to cast their votes this way
there have been several cases in the past
where a member of the electoral college
has voted contrary to the public vote
In most states
this is perfectly legal
in Washington state
it is a misdemeanor
which carries a $1000 dollar fine
In which case
I think we should all buck up
and agree to pay any related legal costs
for Electors who vote contrary to their state
and in accordance with the popular vote.
So all we have to do
is between now and December 18th
is to convince 4 members of the electoral college
to follow the Popular vote on the national level
instead of their particular states vote
If you live in a State
that went for Bush
go to this link
Electoral College Homepage
Under the first subheading "Electoral Results"
The last listing is "Electoral Votes, by State, listing individual electors:"
with links to the years 1992 and 1996
by Federal law
every state must prepare and file seven "Certificates of Ascertainment"
listing each of the Electors for that state
as soon as election results are finalized for that state
very shortly we should see a link for 2000 appear at the end of that line
which will list by state the names of all the electors
contact your electors
and tell them to support the popular vote
and cast their vote for Gore/Lieberman
If you don't live in a state that went for Bush
call electors from other states
once the list has been posted
I will attempt to gather contact information
for the 538 electors starting with the states that went for Bush
and will post it here
Some of you may want Bush to win
other may just think I am crazy
but I think of it this way
It is only a matter of changing the minds
of four people
people like you or I
and if you assume they follow the national demographic
half of them, when they cast their ballots
voted for Gore
(correction - each party selects a slate of electors equal to the total number of representatives which that state has in both houses of congress, so if the republicans won a state, then all of the republican electors were elected, so we need to convince four republicans to see things our way, a slight increase in difficulty but again it is only 4 people)
And if we succeed
we can say
we altered the course of history
for the most powerful nation on earth
How is that for something to tell your grand kids?
If you agree with my idea
link to it
spread the word
lets start a popular uprising
and make it happen
If you like this idea you can read more of my thoughts on this matter Here
remember
all we have to do
is convince
four people
Update: Please link to http://www.wolfenet.com/~plural - it is our temporary webhome a domain has been registered and we are waiting for DNS servers to catch up - Thanks and sorry about the bold
If Bush takes Florida that will give him enough
Electoral votes (271) to become president
but he will have lost the popular vote
If Gore takes Oregon
that will put him at 267 Electoral votes
just three shy of the 270 needed to win
now technically
the electoral college is supposed
to vote in accordance with the results
of the state balloting
and all but two states have a law
which establishes a winner take all
in respect to the electoral vote
which means whomever wins
the popular vote
for that state gets all of the votes
Now the electoral college
is not required to cast their votes this way
there have been several cases in the past
where a member of the electoral college
has voted contrary to the public vote
In most states
this is perfectly legal
in Washington state
it is a misdemeanor
which carries a $1000 dollar fine
In which case
I think we should all buck up
and agree to pay any related legal costs
for Electors who vote contrary to their state
and in accordance with the popular vote.
So all we have to do
is between now and December 18th
is to convince 4 members of the electoral college
to follow the Popular vote on the national level
instead of their particular states vote
If you live in a State
that went for Bush
go to this link
Electoral College Homepage
Under the first subheading "Electoral Results"
The last listing is "Electoral Votes, by State, listing individual electors:"
with links to the years 1992 and 1996
by Federal law
every state must prepare and file seven "Certificates of Ascertainment"
listing each of the Electors for that state
as soon as election results are finalized for that state
very shortly we should see a link for 2000 appear at the end of that line
which will list by state the names of all the electors
contact your electors
and tell them to support the popular vote
and cast their vote for Gore/Lieberman
If you don't live in a state that went for Bush
call electors from other states
once the list has been posted
I will attempt to gather contact information
for the 538 electors starting with the states that went for Bush
and will post it here
Some of you may want Bush to win
other may just think I am crazy
but I think of it this way
It is only a matter of changing the minds
of four people
people like you or I
and if you assume they follow the national demographic
half of them, when they cast their ballots
voted for Gore
(correction - each party selects a slate of electors equal to the total number of representatives which that state has in both houses of congress, so if the republicans won a state, then all of the republican electors were elected, so we need to convince four republicans to see things our way, a slight increase in difficulty but again it is only 4 people)
And if we succeed
we can say
we altered the course of history
for the most powerful nation on earth
How is that for something to tell your grand kids?
If you agree with my idea
link to it
spread the word
lets start a popular uprising
and make it happen
If you like this idea you can read more of my thoughts on this matter Here
remember
all we have to do
is convince
four people
Update: Please link to http://www.wolfenet.com/~plural - it is our temporary webhome a domain has been registered and we are waiting for DNS servers to catch up - Thanks and sorry about the bold
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Re: The Idea of influencing electorals
Date: 2000-11-08 12:36 pm (UTC)The electoral college was established not as a way to protect people but because the founding fathers thought that most of the population of the US at that time was too stupid to understand voting. They created it as a stop gap to protect the process. It is an outdated system that should at least be amended if not completely dumped. If this election has shown anything it's shown the inherent flaws in the electoral college system.
Whoever ends up winning this thing has my sympathy, they not only will have the scandal of what's going on in FL hanging over their heads they will also have to deal with a severely divided country.
The whole thing is a mess.
-=K=-
Re: The Idea of influencing electorals
Date: 2000-11-08 01:21 pm (UTC)How articulately clever! And true, even.
I like that. 's all I wanted to say. :->
Re: The Idea of influencing electorals
Date: 2000-11-08 06:27 pm (UTC)If ANYONE, for ANY reason, had ANY question about the ballot, there were people at EVERY poll station in the country that could help out and/or clarify something. There's no excuse. It's not Bush's fault a bunch of librals can't read a ballot. And the ballot wasn't screwed up.. People just can't fucking read.