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Re:
sanssouci
2000-09-04 08:14
Dude, are you logged in? You haven't even mentioned this morning's entry.
I'm beginning to think you're ignoring what happened here! ;)
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Re:
budhaboy
2000-09-04 08:19
I'm around, it's just that I'm visiting the in laws*.
*Doesn't every country in the world know that today is the day that the US "celebrates" all that labor?
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Re:
sanssouci
2000-09-04 08:21
Oh, they know. They just have this stupid policy that prevents any holidays between June 5 and December 23. Ok, it's not really a policy, but it seems like it.
I guess that's because we have 5 weeks holiday a year here as it is, so they figure they've done their bit.
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Re:
budhaboy
2000-09-04 08:31
This is why I put "celebrates" in quotes...
In recent years, nearly all the gains that labor made from 30-50 were eroded by Mafia corruption, and right-wing fanatics thinking that an emphasis on labor was just communism in a tutu.
There is no real celebration of labor in this country as long as there are people having to work three part-time jobs (with no health care) just to make a living, while management, and owners buy multimillion dollar "retreat ranches" in Montana for weekend getaways on the company/private jet...
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The Man loves your and celebrates your labor...
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2000-09-04 14:14
As a born member of said establishment, I resemble that remark, and I wish to correct several obvious misconceptions, first of all, the retreat ranch is in Wyoming not Montana (Montana is where all those damn gun freaks live), of course, the beach cottage on the Vineyard is more to my particular liking.
Secondly, I greatly celebrate labor, other peoples of course.
You see people the man greatly appreciates all of your hard work... which is why we have a duty to fly around in private jets and buy expensive ranch retreats and beach cottages. You see we are flaunting the aggregate success of all your labors.
Celebrating it in fact.
You can take pride in the fact that your boss has a nice Ferrari or a bigger yacht than your friends, after all its your hard work that help pay for it..
And as a token of our appreciation, the man has given you this wonderful day off making a delightful long weekend at great expense...
To those that scoff... Labor day costs the man's economy approximately $26,880,000,000 a year. This is a great sacrifice on our part to reward you, without whom this would not be possible. I am sure I could find other uses for the money, maybe a nice private island somewhere, if you don't appreciate it.
So the next time you see your boss cruising in his new Ferrari with a hot model, take personal pride and self-satisfaction that you have built part of something that others ogle. Sure he still thinks manual labor is a Mexican politician, but you can be sure, when said model drops to her knees it is you he is thinking about.
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Re: The Man loves your and celebrates your labor...
budhaboy
2000-09-04 15:04
Actually, I just read an article in the Wall Street Journal yesterday, in which Montana and Idaho are being over run by these ranch "developments" where a developer buys, say 10,000 acres, and parcels 300-400 acre lots out to buyers. To aid these "he-men" the developer will then take care of hiring, firing and caring for all animals, horses, etc. necessary to run a "real" ranch, for a mere $30-$40k+/yr. Some of these "ranches" even come complete with pro-designed, world class golf courses...
Just for the record, the bosses condescend for two reasons:
1) it gives the banks time to count their money
2) it makes them look magnanimous, which, of course lowers the chance of revolt...
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Re: The Man loves your and celebrates your labor...
plural
2000-09-04 21:25
pshaw, I read that article too, damn new money, the suffering we must undergo by those with money yet lacking the class to use it tastefully.
The oppressed love their oppressors and seek nothing more than to become them.
Unfortunately for these new monied folks, and by extraction the rest of us.
Money does not account for taste, class, style or eccentricity.
One just cannot become a Kennedy, a Carnegie, or a Rothchild, through the accumulation of money.
It takes generations of breeding and environmental conditioning to develop and refine the required attributes.
Of course your interpretation of our reasons for condescension are absolutely ridiculous...
First of all, it is incredibly tacky and displays the lowest of breeding to count your money (yes the famed uncle scrooge was new monied trailer trash)..
We have more than enough, and are consistently making more (thanks to you) if you have to ask what something costs, then you probably cant afford it.... besides keeping the books is what we pay people like you to do.
Secondly, you think we have the slightest fear of a revolt? by whom? (this is peculiarly relevant to this thread) The vast majority of the people are overweight lazy, their highest priority is stuffing chemically processed TV dinners into their mouths and watching inane "real-life" dramas on television.
Karl Marx said "religion is the opiate of the people" he recognized that the elite used the church and religion to their ends and to control the minds and hearts of the people.
Unfortunately that is now an outdated theorem.
Religion is an imperfect vessel through which to direct the course of the human experience. It has a collection of values which it purports to be inviolate. This can cause the occasional outrage when some of the masses realized that we never intended to follow the rules which we preached to the layman.
However, Television lacks those ethos, and thereby comfortably sedates the masses, bombarding and indoctrinating them into becoming the perfect consumers.
My personal favorite of modern elitist programs is the American welfare system. We have isolated the least desirable aspects of our society into a state of existence whereby they are kept at a subsistence lifestyle which they cannot escape from.
The true beauty of the system, is that through government subsidies, they are kept fed, housed, (albeit poorly, in order to promote ill health and long term genetic deterioration.) and most importantly still consumers of our products thereby instituting a practically indentured class.
Which of course will ensure our continued dominance and lifestyles...
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This will be updated as necessary with future installments added to the comments section....
Re:
sanssouci
2000-09-04 08:14
Dude, are you logged in? You haven't even mentioned this morning's entry.
I'm beginning to think you're ignoring what happened here! ;)
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Re:
budhaboy
2000-09-04 08:19
I'm around, it's just that I'm visiting the in laws*.
*Doesn't every country in the world know that today is the day that the US "celebrates" all that labor?
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Re:
sanssouci
2000-09-04 08:21
Oh, they know. They just have this stupid policy that prevents any holidays between June 5 and December 23. Ok, it's not really a policy, but it seems like it.
I guess that's because we have 5 weeks holiday a year here as it is, so they figure they've done their bit.
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Re:
budhaboy
2000-09-04 08:31
This is why I put "celebrates" in quotes...
In recent years, nearly all the gains that labor made from 30-50 were eroded by Mafia corruption, and right-wing fanatics thinking that an emphasis on labor was just communism in a tutu.
There is no real celebration of labor in this country as long as there are people having to work three part-time jobs (with no health care) just to make a living, while management, and owners buy multimillion dollar "retreat ranches" in Montana for weekend getaways on the company/private jet...
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The Man loves your and celebrates your labor...
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2000-09-04 14:14
As a born member of said establishment, I resemble that remark, and I wish to correct several obvious misconceptions, first of all, the retreat ranch is in Wyoming not Montana (Montana is where all those damn gun freaks live), of course, the beach cottage on the Vineyard is more to my particular liking.
Secondly, I greatly celebrate labor, other peoples of course.
You see people the man greatly appreciates all of your hard work... which is why we have a duty to fly around in private jets and buy expensive ranch retreats and beach cottages. You see we are flaunting the aggregate success of all your labors.
Celebrating it in fact.
You can take pride in the fact that your boss has a nice Ferrari or a bigger yacht than your friends, after all its your hard work that help pay for it..
And as a token of our appreciation, the man has given you this wonderful day off making a delightful long weekend at great expense...
To those that scoff... Labor day costs the man's economy approximately $26,880,000,000 a year. This is a great sacrifice on our part to reward you, without whom this would not be possible. I am sure I could find other uses for the money, maybe a nice private island somewhere, if you don't appreciate it.
So the next time you see your boss cruising in his new Ferrari with a hot model, take personal pride and self-satisfaction that you have built part of something that others ogle. Sure he still thinks manual labor is a Mexican politician, but you can be sure, when said model drops to her knees it is you he is thinking about.
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Re: The Man loves your and celebrates your labor...
budhaboy
2000-09-04 15:04
Actually, I just read an article in the Wall Street Journal yesterday, in which Montana and Idaho are being over run by these ranch "developments" where a developer buys, say 10,000 acres, and parcels 300-400 acre lots out to buyers. To aid these "he-men" the developer will then take care of hiring, firing and caring for all animals, horses, etc. necessary to run a "real" ranch, for a mere $30-$40k+/yr. Some of these "ranches" even come complete with pro-designed, world class golf courses...
Just for the record, the bosses condescend for two reasons:
1) it gives the banks time to count their money
2) it makes them look magnanimous, which, of course lowers the chance of revolt...
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Re: The Man loves your and celebrates your labor...
plural
2000-09-04 21:25
pshaw, I read that article too, damn new money, the suffering we must undergo by those with money yet lacking the class to use it tastefully.
The oppressed love their oppressors and seek nothing more than to become them.
Unfortunately for these new monied folks, and by extraction the rest of us.
Money does not account for taste, class, style or eccentricity.
One just cannot become a Kennedy, a Carnegie, or a Rothchild, through the accumulation of money.
It takes generations of breeding and environmental conditioning to develop and refine the required attributes.
Of course your interpretation of our reasons for condescension are absolutely ridiculous...
First of all, it is incredibly tacky and displays the lowest of breeding to count your money (yes the famed uncle scrooge was new monied trailer trash)..
We have more than enough, and are consistently making more (thanks to you) if you have to ask what something costs, then you probably cant afford it.... besides keeping the books is what we pay people like you to do.
Secondly, you think we have the slightest fear of a revolt? by whom? (this is peculiarly relevant to this thread) The vast majority of the people are overweight lazy, their highest priority is stuffing chemically processed TV dinners into their mouths and watching inane "real-life" dramas on television.
Karl Marx said "religion is the opiate of the people" he recognized that the elite used the church and religion to their ends and to control the minds and hearts of the people.
Unfortunately that is now an outdated theorem.
Religion is an imperfect vessel through which to direct the course of the human experience. It has a collection of values which it purports to be inviolate. This can cause the occasional outrage when some of the masses realized that we never intended to follow the rules which we preached to the layman.
However, Television lacks those ethos, and thereby comfortably sedates the masses, bombarding and indoctrinating them into becoming the perfect consumers.
My personal favorite of modern elitist programs is the American welfare system. We have isolated the least desirable aspects of our society into a state of existence whereby they are kept at a subsistence lifestyle which they cannot escape from.
The true beauty of the system, is that through government subsidies, they are kept fed, housed, (albeit poorly, in order to promote ill health and long term genetic deterioration.) and most importantly still consumers of our products thereby instituting a practically indentured class.
Which of course will ensure our continued dominance and lifestyles...
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This will be updated as necessary with future installments added to the comments section....
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A response from Budhaboy
Date: 2000-09-05 01:48 pm (UTC)Re: The Man loves your and celebrates your labor...
budhaboy
2000-09-05 03:09
*sigh*
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it is so typical of today's robber barron wannabes to have "issues" with reading...
If you carefully analyze the antecedents of point 1) in my message, it is the BANKS that are counting your money, not you. Not only do you find counting your own money "low," and "base," but also tedious when you can easily afford to have one of "the little people" do it for next to nothing...
As for point 2): even though I read it twice, all I could see was "let them eat cake."
Now you are also making the MOST common mistake of those of your class in that there are some amongst those that protest your existence who in fact ARE what you aspire to be. They are only protesting because of the guilt brought on by generations of privilage that have afforded them the means to be liberal...
My reply
Date: 2000-09-05 01:49 pm (UTC)Re: The Man loves your and celebrates your labor...
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2000-09-05 13:40
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*Smiles softly*
First of all, The concept of robber baron is dated... It is simply obvious that there are distinct classes institutionalized in our society...
In our current society, the elite promotes their agendas and earn their money not directly off the backs of exploited workers, but through the careful exploitation of the average persons greed and illogical need for instant gratification.
People place themselves into indentured servitude by abusing credit and living above their means. This puts them in a situation where a large percentage of their income is immediately re-directed to paying off old debts.
I have no "issues" with reading, however you seem to hold an illogical concept that banks are living entities, unfortunately they require individuals to actively achieve something as mundane as counting their money.
Since we "condescend" to give the peons who would do this counting the day off in a celebration of labor, that would leave it to person like myself to the chore.
Which would be distasteful and redundant.
As an organization, a bank counts its money on a daily basis, a large portion of the resources of a bank are dedicated to this simple task, it does not require a special day to be set aside to accomplish this.
In my previous comment, the second point was responding to your idea that we would cater to the masses out of some fear of revolt, which is completely irrational.
The masses love and ultimately desire to replace us. Of course the vast majority of them are worthless, mindless and pathetic.
If you truly believe in the "guilt" of the liberal wealthy, I pity you.
If one was to truly feel guilty about a life of privilege and wealth, there are very easy methods by which one could remedy these feelings.
If you feel guilty that you have never worked an honest day in your life, then get a real average American job. (as opposed to pretend job as a magazine editor ala monsieur Kennedy)
If you feel guilty that you have millions of dollars, create a charitable foundation and donate the vast majority (90%) of your assets into it.
These supposedly "bleeding heart liberals" and their intense "guilt" over the injustices which have lead to their positions of wealth and privilege, is a fiction.
Look at a persons words, then look at their actions, if both are in accordance, believe their words, where there are discrepancies, believe their actions.
Personally, while I abhor the vast majority of people that I meet, I am an elitist bastard, although my elitism is not specifically drawn along classist lines.
I also find it ludicrous and absurd that the average American thinks either the democrats or republicans are doing anything besides towing the line of the monied elite and continuing the status quo.
I am who I am, I make no apologies for it, and I am offended by people who come from a similar background of wealth and privilege, and present a facade of empathy which is not supported by action in any but the most trivial way.
Quite frankly, I believe strongly in helping people better themselves and their conditions.
Unfortunately most people would prefer to blame the man for oppressing them and thereby have an excuse, a reason beyond their control for the misery in their lives, rather than take responsibility for their lives and make the effort to change it.
My logic prof would be proud
Date: 2000-09-06 02:46 am (UTC)Re: My logic prof would be proud
Date: 2000-09-06 06:17 pm (UTC)You are most kind, of course my gratitude goes out to you not only for the introduction to BB but also for allowing us the originating space and ideas which fostered this discourse.
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The Concluding Entries....
Date: 2000-09-06 11:16 pm (UTC)Re: The Man loves your and celebrates your labor...
budhaboy
2000-09-05 19:02
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*snort*
I suppose opinions are like assholes...
I suspect if you spent an afternoon at one of my family reunions you would have a VERY different point of view...
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Re: The Man loves your and celebrates your labor...
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2000-09-05 20:35
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*grins*
Somehow I am likely to agree that spending an afternoon at one of your family reunions would dramatically change my points of view on many issues, however I am not sure exactly how you intended that to relate to our discourse.
I disagree with the statement correlating opinions and assholes.
First of all most people tend to have only one asshole (some women may prove an exception to this but we arent referring to romantic interests).
Secondly, assholes have a practical use and application where as opinions have neither, although suprisingly are constructed of a remarkably related material.
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Re: The Man loves your and celebrates your labor...
budhaboy
2000-09-06 02:33
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*grin* indeed.
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