A Dream of a nice Jewish girl, shared for the benefit of my dear pb but not for j

[plural]

I was
with bicycle
in hand fitting
it onto the rack
of a sea blue
Porsche boxter
my brother assists me
a vibrant green voyager
is parked behind the Porsche
somehow I am responsible
for getting both vehicles
downtown

my brother and I discuss
this and he
offers to help
at the last minute
he decides
he doesn't wish to
deal with traffic
and will just ride his
bicycle downtown
on his own
leaving me
with quite a
dilemma

the dream fades out
and back

and I am in
a mcdonalds
with my brother
and my nephew
my brother offers me fries
they are of the steak cut variety
I accept a few and munch away
at which point it hits me

what the hell
is my brother
doing eating
in a mcdonalds

for those who don't know
my brother is a very orthodox Jew
and would never even stop
in a mcdonalds to get a drink
for fear that he might give
someone else the impression
that it is kosher
and that they make the mistake of
eating traife (not-kosher) food
because of that

then I notice
the mcdonalds
is full of black hat wearing
orthodox Jews

at this point
I must inquire
and am informed
that the mcdonalds
is owned by a Jew
and is certified kosher

if wonders will never cease
among these
black hatters
a young woman
of surpassing beauty
with braids in her hair
not little girl braids
more like flower-child braids
honey blonde hair
and blue-grey eyes like the rain

we speak briefly
and blissfully

my brother introduces
me to several of the
other men around
including her brother
whom she is sitting next to.
her brother does me
the kindness of a formal
introduction.

a weird note
perhaps I was struck by her
beauty, but I could not
remember a thing
we had talked about
upon meeting her
when we were re-introduced

his family
extended as most
very orthodox families are
had an entire corner area
of the restaurant (as much as I hate to call it so)
divided off for themselves
with wives, husbands and babes

I spent some time
talking with her
and her brother
mostly to be polite
it was her I was fascinated with
when I felt
this strange
magnetism
slowly but surely
pulling me towards her
at first I though it
was just my waxing heart
but surely no
I felt it in my feet
and it grew in strength

I commented upon it
as it was becoming obvious
that I was leaning back to
counter act it pull
and she laughed
thinking me all the fool
I am sure

I wiggled my feet
and moved my legs
to examine the effect
of this strange pull

and as it grew stronger
and her look grew
even more curious
I simply smiled
and said
watch
leaning back
and bring my feet to a plane
I skidded rapidly
past (nearly missing) her
towards the corner of the room
in a way that could not be
self propelled.

I almost fell
so sharp was the
release of this mysterious force

I set to investigate
and immediately
noticed the familiar
wires and boxes
of a tinkerer

I cataloged the components
made a smiling remark
in approval of
the redundant power arrays

her brother smiled
and explained the
rest of the system to me

she laughed
as she had been
in on the joke
but not at me

we spoke for a few
minutes more
before she
excused herself
and left

I hesitated
not being recently familiar
with the courting rituals
of the orthodox and
not wishing to start off
on the wrong foot

so I asked my new friend
(her brother)
what protocol would be?
he said
well generally
one would determine
if the lady is interested first,
do you know if she is interested?
(being coy)
well I must admit
I replied I do not
but I could ask her brother
and gain his valuable insight
(right back atcha)

smiling he replied
well I would say
she is at least curious
for she made herself
at least 10 minutes late
staying to talk with you.

so then my new found friend
what is the next step

well he replied
getting permission
to marry her
would be most difficult
and would require
much to satisfy her
father.


I wish I could relay
what I did next
and what steps I took
but in truth I woke up
perhaps
as not to waste
any
time

I find it particularly interesting
perhaps it relates to my complete ignorance of courting rituals
among the orthodox that my mind would
make the jump from interest to marriage

ah well, I thought it peculiar in any regards

Comments

hmm here I will disagree

[plural.livejournal.com]

while many of the laws in the torah
can be assigned common sense by man
it just that.

God did not give justifications for his commandments.

He said, dont do this, dont do that, oh and you need to do this.

the why and in many case the how, was determined and assigned by man, in order to help us perform the duties which god assigned us, or particularly in the case of the why, to help us understand and relate to god, and perhaps why he may have given us such a commandment.

Not so that we could second guess god, the reasons for god's commandments are god's own, whatever meaning we mortals may assign to them.

and until god steps up and says:

oh by the way, yall are so modern now, you dont need that law any more, have a nice day.

it is remains gods will and command that we follow that law.

To do otherwise is simply to disobey god.

Re: hmm here I will disagree

[mnemosyne.livejournal.com]

hmm... i fear this is where we will disagree. i just can't see or understand how some things that are so good can be a sin. i listen and listen and try to find answers. i get warm welcomes here but cold shoulders there. i just can't see it. i think i would have to have been raised in a strict orthodox home to truly understand.

disagreement is a beautiful thing

[plural.livejournal.com]

This will be an extreme example so bear with me here, I think you will find the correlation is valid.

For a sinner to say, that a particular thing is so good and therefore cant really be a sin

is the same as a rapist saying that it makes him feel so good, how wrong can it really be?

it is an excuse, nothing more.

I will never judge you for your sins, real or percieved, but I will call you on your excuses.

To be a jew at the most basic level
has one qualification

you must accept that the torah is the word of god, and accept that god will is law.

Acceptance of god's covenant is what made abraham a jew, the acceptance of the torah at har sinai, is what made the nation of israel god's chosen people.

You cant say that you are a jew, and not accept the covenant. that covenant with god is what seperates Jew from goyim.

I have absolutly no problem, with people saying that they dont agree with a particular rabbi's interpretation of a law. but many laws are very clear, and i think you are making justifications for what you know are sins, to say that you know better than god, is incredible arrogance.

now I want to be clear, I am not meaning this to attack you, but I think you need to think about this.

I sin, I dont really care about it, I eat a cheeseburger cause I enjoy it

But I will not say, that because I enjoy eating the cheeseburger, that it is not a sin, thats just poor logic.

Sins are arbitrary laws, god gave em, the jews accepted them. I dont believe speeding is wrong, but it is a law, just because I like to speed, doesnt change that.