Whoops somebody got the PR Spin all fucked up on this one

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Apparently it wasnt a massacre,
but a glorious victory of the palestinian resistance

Jenin 'massacre' reduced to death toll of 56

JENIN, West Bank
Palestinian officials yesterday put the death toll at 56 in the two-week Israeli assault on Jenin, dropping claims of a massacre of 500 that had sparked demands for a U.N. investigation.

The official Palestinian body count, which is not disproportionate to the 33 Israeli soldiers killed in the incursion, was disclosed by Kadoura Mousa Kadoura, the director of Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement for the northern West Bank, after a team of four Palestinian-appointed investigators reported to him in his Jenin office.

[Two weeks ago, when European and particularly London newspapers were reporting estimates of "hundreds" massacred, Israeli sources in Washington said they expected the Palestinian toll to reach "45 to 55."]

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Paul Martin - Washington Times

thanks to ikilled007 for the link

Comments

[estrie.livejournal.com]

media most places is very pro-palestinian, anyhow...
to get straight facts is difficult.

[nutmeg.livejournal.com]

Wow...

I think you can call any one pro-anything if you are radically against one side. Because the media is certainly not pro-palestianian in my opinion.

And in my opinion it certainly isn't proliberal either but all the ultra conservatives harp on how liberal media skews our viewpoints.

When the media consistently says how many israelis were killed and ignores or barely mentions palestian deaths, which is what I hear regularly, I would not call them pro palestinian.

No side is right here. Both are wrong. And so are we.

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[estrie.livejournal.com]

hmm, it occured to me at some point that it probably very much matters where a person's news comes from.
the bbc seems to be quite pro-liberal and pro-palestinian.
i'm not saying anybody in particular is right. in fact i feel everybody's actions are very not right according to my own moral code which has never been put to the test. and that is why i, personally, fear religion.

[ikilled007.livejournal.com]

The media is so leftist it's insanity to claim that it's not. Just an idea of how bad it really is: Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News is the recent book by Bernard Goldberg (a lifelong leftist):

From the review:

Book Description
Think the media are biased? CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN crying foul for years, but now a veteran CBS reporter has come forward to expose how liberal bias pervades the mainstream media. Even if you've suspected your nightly news is slanted to the left, it's far worse than you think. Breaking ranks and naming names, Emmy Award-winning broadcast journalist Bernard Goldberg reveals a corporate news culture in which the close-mindedness is breathtaking, journalistic integrity has been pawned to liberal opinion, and "entertainment" trumps hard news every time. In his three decades at CBS, Goldberg repeatedly voiced his concerns to network executives about the often one-sided nature of the news coverage. But no one listened to his complaints-or if they did listen, they did nothing about the problem. Finally, Goldberg had no choice but to blow the whistle on his own industry, to break the code of silence that pervades the news business. Bias is the result. As the author reveals, "liberal bias" doesn't mean simply being hard on Republicans and easy on Democrats. Real media bias is the result of how those in the media see the world-and their bias directly affects how we all see the world.

In fact, just look at the language you used:
"And in my opinion it certainly isn't proliberal either but all the ultra conservatives harp on how liberal media skews our viewpoints."

We hear words like "right wing", "conservative", "ultra-conservative", "far right wing" all the time, but how often do the media (or you) use words like "leftist", "ultra liberal", "extreme left wing" etc.? You'll NEVER hear those words on the news or read them in any mainstream news publications.

It's a credit to how pervasive and common the media bias is that the average person doesn't even recognize it anymore.

[nutmeg.livejournal.com]

I hear the word liberal on the news often. And Ultra conservatives CALL Themselves ultra conservatives to set themselves apart from groups they view as too far center but are otherwise identified as "conservative" The word liberal is used most often as an insult when it is used in the media.

Of course media is biased, so is any thing any human says, because by neccessity we can not be other than subjective. It really depends upon the medium and which specific unit of the medium we are talking about. But a blanket statement that says that media is leftist (And if you haven't heard that word in the media where in the world did you hear it?... or did you make it up).... or conservative is going to be false. Some stations are liberal some conservative, some newspapers, some websites, some radio stations, etc...

(And sorry for the tanget, plural)

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[ikilled007.livejournal.com]

Actually, there is overwhelming evidence that the media IS leftist. Here's one school of thought:

Journalism graduates are educated in journalism and all that communications stuff. They don't have a powerful grasp of the hard sciences, of economics, of history, of literature, etc. And they tend to be do-gooders, so to speak. "Make the world a better place" kind of people, nothing wrong with that. The problem comes in when they report on issues they have no grasp of. They might well know what the current events ARE, but they don't understand the context or the history or the inter-relationships therein. And so when an environmental group throws out some statistic or other like "We're killing off 100,000 species a day in the rain forerst" or some such tripe, they give equal time and/or actual credence to it. Same with domestic economic issues. The news stories push an agenda, usually, "Government must act to ensure that [X]...." That's already a liberal bias ingrained into the format.

Further, did you know that over 80% of the media admit to being registered Democrats or voting Democrat regularly?

The is absolutely a liberal bias in the mainstream media -- even some media liberals like Goldberg have confessed to such.

How anyone would even try to dispute this is beyond me.

[nutmeg.livejournal.com]

How anyone would even try to dispute this is beyond me.

This precludes any debate.

So I won't.

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[ikilled007.livejournal.com]

Smart girl ;)

[city-glitter.livejournal.com]

The American media certainly isn't leftist.

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[ikilled007.livejournal.com]

Yes, the mainstream American media are overwhelmingly leftist, Fox News Channel being the only exception.

[city-glitter.livejournal.com]

Not even close. Where are you getting that from?

[ikilled007.livejournal.com]

Well, here it is again:

http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=plural&itemid=215840&thread=782368#t782368