what are your demands?
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plurala response to this post by Art Vamp
From your post they are as follows
End the Occupation -
i can personally guarantee you
[i have friends in low places]
that if the bombs stop
so will the occupation
and in time
if peace can be maintained
and both your people and ours stop dying in the street
the palestinians will have a state
will have freedom
[but i remind you that even before]
[there was an occupation (pre-1967) there was terrorism]
[snipers shooting over the walls, men sneaking accross the border with bombs]
End Israeli Violence -
to end only israeli violence is one sided and blantantly ridiculous
you cant expect one side to do what the other will not.
we have tried
we have declared unilateral ceasefires
and still the bombs come
End US Aid to Israel -
this only makes sense in the context of the war,
and even then only barely
israel is the only democratic country in the region,
[and america should support countries which live by american ideals]
and the only true friend america has there,
on 9-11 how many countries sent the US aid to deal with the tradegy, how many sent people to help?
one,
israel.
israel had a team of disaster specialists on a plane within twenty four hours,
the US gives aid and sends disaster assistance to every corner of the world
but when the US has a disaster how many respond in kind?
only one.
tell me one good reason why us aid to israel should end?
[and not because it would help your side to win]
Right of Return for the Palestinians -
this can not, will not
and in my opinion
should not happen.
In 1948 the palestinians willfully seperated themselves from their lands,
commited acts of sabotage and destruction on their way out.
They refused citizenship and instead sided with isreal´s enemies against her.
They have spent the past fifty-four years in armed conflict against her,
and now we are expected to let the enemy in through the gates,
return their land and
hope, wish and pray
that they will let us live in peace?
as if the anger and hatred that exists
will suddenly disapate because you live inside our borders?
Throughout history people have made decisions and chosen sides in conflicts,
when they chose correctly they prospered,
when they chose falsely they suffered.
It is the way of the world and the consequences of life.
and the right of the return is
not a measure to seek peace
but a political way to destroy israel
as it exists as a jewish state
Israel has a population of roughly six million people
[80% or 4.8 million jews and 1.2 million arabs]
the gaza strip and the west bank are home to nearly four million palestinians
[source: Central Intelligence Agency, United States Government]
[figures are estimates from a July 2001 intelligence report]
[as i said i have friends in low places]
if the right of return was granted
and only those palestinians within the west bank and gaza returned
[which is unlikely as many of the wealthiest palestinians who owned most of the land]
[live elsewhere and would return, if only briefly to reclaim their lands]
the populations figures would be the following
roughly 4.8 million jews and 5.2 million arabs
this would be a political and democratic end
to the jewish state
what is the problem with that you ask?
it is a brilliant tactic, i give you that
use the ideals of the west to destroy your enemies
how can they argue?
the problem my friends is simple
you cannot require the destruction of your enemies
by any means
either political or martial
as part of a process of peace
it is called bad faith negotiating
and merely proves that you do not want to co-exist peacefully
a palestinian state along side a jewish state
but simply victory
by any means
by any method
those of you who are familar with my ideas
know that i want peace
true peace
that i believe both sides are equally guilty
and that peace has a price
but i do not believe in peace at any price
especially when that price is our destruction
Negotiations are a process of compromising
we give up something to get peace
and you give up something to get peace
the problem is
your leaders are not trying to negotiate for peace
you leaders are trying to negotiate a victory
and nor can they admit in their heart of hearts
that we even have a right to exist
to simply live
the palestinian demands have not budged
have not changed from day one
not on a single principle have you compromised
you will accept nothing but total agreement to your terms
that is not compromise
that is victory
your leaders must have the courage to be honest with their people
to explain that you must give up something to get others
and your people must have the courage to accept it
and quite frankly so must mine
From your post they are as follows
End the Occupation -
i can personally guarantee you
[i have friends in low places]
that if the bombs stop
so will the occupation
and in time
if peace can be maintained
and both your people and ours stop dying in the street
the palestinians will have a state
will have freedom
[but i remind you that even before]
[there was an occupation (pre-1967) there was terrorism]
[snipers shooting over the walls, men sneaking accross the border with bombs]
End Israeli Violence -
to end only israeli violence is one sided and blantantly ridiculous
you cant expect one side to do what the other will not.
we have tried
we have declared unilateral ceasefires
and still the bombs come
End US Aid to Israel -
this only makes sense in the context of the war,
and even then only barely
israel is the only democratic country in the region,
[and america should support countries which live by american ideals]
and the only true friend america has there,
on 9-11 how many countries sent the US aid to deal with the tradegy, how many sent people to help?
one,
israel.
israel had a team of disaster specialists on a plane within twenty four hours,
the US gives aid and sends disaster assistance to every corner of the world
but when the US has a disaster how many respond in kind?
only one.
tell me one good reason why us aid to israel should end?
[and not because it would help your side to win]
Right of Return for the Palestinians -
this can not, will not
and in my opinion
should not happen.
In 1948 the palestinians willfully seperated themselves from their lands,
commited acts of sabotage and destruction on their way out.
They refused citizenship and instead sided with isreal´s enemies against her.
They have spent the past fifty-four years in armed conflict against her,
and now we are expected to let the enemy in through the gates,
return their land and
hope, wish and pray
that they will let us live in peace?
as if the anger and hatred that exists
will suddenly disapate because you live inside our borders?
Throughout history people have made decisions and chosen sides in conflicts,
when they chose correctly they prospered,
when they chose falsely they suffered.
It is the way of the world and the consequences of life.
and the right of the return is
not a measure to seek peace
but a political way to destroy israel
as it exists as a jewish state
Israel has a population of roughly six million people
[80% or 4.8 million jews and 1.2 million arabs]
the gaza strip and the west bank are home to nearly four million palestinians
[source: Central Intelligence Agency, United States Government]
[figures are estimates from a July 2001 intelligence report]
[as i said i have friends in low places]
if the right of return was granted
and only those palestinians within the west bank and gaza returned
[which is unlikely as many of the wealthiest palestinians who owned most of the land]
[live elsewhere and would return, if only briefly to reclaim their lands]
the populations figures would be the following
roughly 4.8 million jews and 5.2 million arabs
this would be a political and democratic end
to the jewish state
what is the problem with that you ask?
it is a brilliant tactic, i give you that
use the ideals of the west to destroy your enemies
how can they argue?
the problem my friends is simple
you cannot require the destruction of your enemies
by any means
either political or martial
as part of a process of peace
it is called bad faith negotiating
and merely proves that you do not want to co-exist peacefully
a palestinian state along side a jewish state
but simply victory
by any means
by any method
those of you who are familar with my ideas
know that i want peace
true peace
that i believe both sides are equally guilty
and that peace has a price
but i do not believe in peace at any price
especially when that price is our destruction
Negotiations are a process of compromising
we give up something to get peace
and you give up something to get peace
the problem is
your leaders are not trying to negotiate for peace
you leaders are trying to negotiate a victory
and nor can they admit in their heart of hearts
that we even have a right to exist
to simply live
the palestinian demands have not budged
have not changed from day one
not on a single principle have you compromised
you will accept nothing but total agreement to your terms
that is not compromise
that is victory
your leaders must have the courage to be honest with their people
to explain that you must give up something to get others
and your people must have the courage to accept it
and quite frankly so must mine
