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plural[a quick prefix]
[I attribute many ideas and behaviors]
[in the ramblings below, to men and women]
[as groups within our society]
[I am not speaking of individuals]
[nor am I applying these characteristics to the entire group]
[this is merely my opinions and how I view our culture]
[many of the "way things are" statements are not necessarily]
[how I think things should be, but more so how I see them]
[enacted in our society]
as a rule
I do not ask
how many partners
my women have had
nor do I divulge
how many I have had
partly because
I do not know
I do not keep track
and
could care less
what the numbers
add up too
I do not have a punchcard to be filled
nor a belt to be notched
I dont have a poontang hunting
liscense from the state
with quotas and limits.
I do not compare statistics with my friends
I am not keeping score
If I die
having slept with
one more or one less
person
it wont make the least bit of
difference to me
perhaps I am strange man
in that when I sleep with a
woman has no bearing on my
valuation of her
my longest relationship
3.5 years was with someone
with whom I slept with
on the first date
the biological end game
is to procreate and women hold
the keys to that gate.
Men are insecure.
in our society
We are told our self worth
is measured
by the car we drive,
the amount of money we make
or the number of women we have slept with.
Women judge the value of a man
by the quality and quantity of the women
he entertains.
[perhaps not solely but]
[it can be a definite factor]
A man with a girlfriend is infinitely
more attractive to women than one without
[guys if you want to check this out]
[wear something resembling a wedding band]
[to a bar sometime]
after all some other chick has validated him,
you know if another chick who you can relate too
can stand him, then he probably isn't a complete loser.
the argument that women want an experienced lover
which is why they like men
who have slept around
is obfuscation,
what they want is a lover
[regardless of experience]
who doesn't treat sex like a wrestling match
[a whole lot of grabbing and pushing]
[with a 10 second time line]
women want men who listen to their bodies and
take care of their sexual needs,
many men
treat sex
like assisted masturbation.
so a guy who has slept with many women
has been selected by many women
which must mean he has the right qualities
[let someone else do the homework]
therefore elevates his value in the
eyes of the feminine kind
[many will dispute me on this]
[but I think if you look honestly]
[you will find signs of it everywhere]
the other factor is
market economics
everything in life
is a commodity
in days past
it was often the case
that the first woman you slept with
was the one you married.
in sex there has always been
an inequality in power
women have the pussy
men want the pussy
by pretending that women
aren't nearly as horny or interested in sex
women propagated an expensive courting ritual
by which a man sought a woman's affections
women want the old way
doors being held open
dinners and dates being paid for
but
to add the freedom to
do whatever they want
on top of that
the problem is this
if a guy can get the pussy for free,
why the hell would he pay for it
there has to be value added
into the proposition
for me that value comes
in the form of an intelligent and
interesting mind attached
to that pussy.
in the past
the demand for pussy
greatly exceeded the supply
of available pussy
that isn't true any more
most any guy
can go out most any night
and find an attractive female to sleep with
for a cost of a drink or two
and maybe an hour of
pretending to be interested
her random babble
promiscuity both among males and females
is in somewhat of a cultural crisis.
with 1 in 2 americans admitting that they
have cheated on their partner in the past
or that they are currently doing so
we are all obsessed with the idea
that our partners might cheat on us
this undermines the basic trust
required to have a relationship.
for the past fifty years
as a culture we have glorified
the passion and love that supposedly
flares up uncontrollably into a torrid affair.
yet women want to feel special
women want to feel unique
men don't get that luxury
we know, and are often reminded
that you could go out and find
a replacement in a hour
we are not special
you are not special
I am not special
human beings are not special
"we are the same decaying organic matter as everything else"
women get preferential treatment
in most things
this is sexist
women want to keep these sexist benefits
but remove the sexist disadvantages
I think
that women enjoying their
sexuality and acting
"like men"
is wonderful
it will bring about a revolution
in honesty in inter-sexual relations
men and women will fuck
because they both get pleasure out of it
not because a man bought her dinner
or
because if she don't put out on the third date
[or whatever the popular number of the week is]
the man wont keep seeing her.
and men will treat women
like they treat other men
which is badly
actually let me address this
differently
people treat each other badly
men wanting to get in women's pants
treat them better
that would effectively end.
overall the sexual revolution and women's liberation
have worked overwhelmingly in the favor of men
we can now fuck
who we want
when we want
as often as we want
and
no longer are we
stigmatized for it.
it used to be
if a man got exposed
cheating on his wife
he could lose his job
in the military
adultery is still a criminal offense
now it is common place
we hear that so and so
is having an affair
and think nothing of it
other than a
passing
[what a slimy bastard]
but in time even that will change
because as women explore their sexuality
and sexual freedom and acknowledge their desires
it validates the desires in men and
plays into the old excuse that men just can't help themselves
Women make villains of women
who sleep with other women's men
but
the way I see it
[and men do the same]
If you make a commitment
to someone, and they make the
same commitment to you
to be monogamous
if that commitment is broken
only the person who made the commitment
is at fault
if your boy/girl/otherfriend cheats on you
the other person hasn't done
anything wrong
they didn't make any commitments to you
your boy/girl/otherfriend did however
and as much as people say
"they didn't mean to do it"
or
"it didn't mean anything"
they are lying
was it an accident?
did they trip on a phone cord and "Whoops" they got fucked?
what didn't mean anything?
obviously the commitment to monogamy
is what didn't mean anything,
if they so easily jumped into bed with someone else
men want sex
we are trained that
we do not have to control our desires
the responsibility for a man
not cheating on his wife,
is left to all the women of the world
not to sleep with him because
he is "spoken for"
that is fucked up daisy
and my question is
is teaching our women
to act the same way
really what we need?
[I attribute many ideas and behaviors]
[in the ramblings below, to men and women]
[as groups within our society]
[I am not speaking of individuals]
[nor am I applying these characteristics to the entire group]
[this is merely my opinions and how I view our culture]
[many of the "way things are" statements are not necessarily]
[how I think things should be, but more so how I see them]
[enacted in our society]
as a rule
I do not ask
how many partners
my women have had
nor do I divulge
how many I have had
partly because
I do not know
I do not keep track
and
could care less
what the numbers
add up too
I do not have a punchcard to be filled
nor a belt to be notched
I dont have a poontang hunting
liscense from the state
with quotas and limits.
I do not compare statistics with my friends
I am not keeping score
If I die
having slept with
one more or one less
person
it wont make the least bit of
difference to me
perhaps I am strange man
in that when I sleep with a
woman has no bearing on my
valuation of her
my longest relationship
3.5 years was with someone
with whom I slept with
on the first date
the biological end game
is to procreate and women hold
the keys to that gate.
Men are insecure.
in our society
We are told our self worth
is measured
by the car we drive,
the amount of money we make
or the number of women we have slept with.
Women judge the value of a man
by the quality and quantity of the women
he entertains.
[perhaps not solely but]
[it can be a definite factor]
A man with a girlfriend is infinitely
more attractive to women than one without
[guys if you want to check this out]
[wear something resembling a wedding band]
[to a bar sometime]
after all some other chick has validated him,
you know if another chick who you can relate too
can stand him, then he probably isn't a complete loser.
the argument that women want an experienced lover
which is why they like men
who have slept around
is obfuscation,
what they want is a lover
[regardless of experience]
who doesn't treat sex like a wrestling match
[a whole lot of grabbing and pushing]
[with a 10 second time line]
women want men who listen to their bodies and
take care of their sexual needs,
many men
treat sex
like assisted masturbation.
so a guy who has slept with many women
has been selected by many women
which must mean he has the right qualities
[let someone else do the homework]
therefore elevates his value in the
eyes of the feminine kind
[many will dispute me on this]
[but I think if you look honestly]
[you will find signs of it everywhere]
the other factor is
market economics
everything in life
is a commodity
in days past
it was often the case
that the first woman you slept with
was the one you married.
in sex there has always been
an inequality in power
women have the pussy
men want the pussy
by pretending that women
aren't nearly as horny or interested in sex
women propagated an expensive courting ritual
by which a man sought a woman's affections
women want the old way
doors being held open
dinners and dates being paid for
but
to add the freedom to
do whatever they want
on top of that
the problem is this
if a guy can get the pussy for free,
why the hell would he pay for it
there has to be value added
into the proposition
for me that value comes
in the form of an intelligent and
interesting mind attached
to that pussy.
in the past
the demand for pussy
greatly exceeded the supply
of available pussy
that isn't true any more
most any guy
can go out most any night
and find an attractive female to sleep with
for a cost of a drink or two
and maybe an hour of
pretending to be interested
her random babble
promiscuity both among males and females
is in somewhat of a cultural crisis.
with 1 in 2 americans admitting that they
have cheated on their partner in the past
or that they are currently doing so
we are all obsessed with the idea
that our partners might cheat on us
this undermines the basic trust
required to have a relationship.
for the past fifty years
as a culture we have glorified
the passion and love that supposedly
flares up uncontrollably into a torrid affair.
yet women want to feel special
women want to feel unique
men don't get that luxury
we know, and are often reminded
that you could go out and find
a replacement in a hour
we are not special
you are not special
I am not special
human beings are not special
"we are the same decaying organic matter as everything else"
women get preferential treatment
in most things
this is sexist
women want to keep these sexist benefits
but remove the sexist disadvantages
I think
that women enjoying their
sexuality and acting
"like men"
is wonderful
it will bring about a revolution
in honesty in inter-sexual relations
men and women will fuck
because they both get pleasure out of it
not because a man bought her dinner
or
because if she don't put out on the third date
[or whatever the popular number of the week is]
the man wont keep seeing her.
and men will treat women
like they treat other men
which is badly
actually let me address this
differently
people treat each other badly
men wanting to get in women's pants
treat them better
that would effectively end.
overall the sexual revolution and women's liberation
have worked overwhelmingly in the favor of men
we can now fuck
who we want
when we want
as often as we want
and
no longer are we
stigmatized for it.
it used to be
if a man got exposed
cheating on his wife
he could lose his job
in the military
adultery is still a criminal offense
now it is common place
we hear that so and so
is having an affair
and think nothing of it
other than a
passing
[what a slimy bastard]
but in time even that will change
because as women explore their sexuality
and sexual freedom and acknowledge their desires
it validates the desires in men and
plays into the old excuse that men just can't help themselves
Women make villains of women
who sleep with other women's men
but
the way I see it
[and men do the same]
If you make a commitment
to someone, and they make the
same commitment to you
to be monogamous
if that commitment is broken
only the person who made the commitment
is at fault
if your boy/girl/otherfriend cheats on you
the other person hasn't done
anything wrong
they didn't make any commitments to you
your boy/girl/otherfriend did however
and as much as people say
"they didn't mean to do it"
or
"it didn't mean anything"
they are lying
was it an accident?
did they trip on a phone cord and "Whoops" they got fucked?
what didn't mean anything?
obviously the commitment to monogamy
is what didn't mean anything,
if they so easily jumped into bed with someone else
men want sex
we are trained that
we do not have to control our desires
the responsibility for a man
not cheating on his wife,
is left to all the women of the world
not to sleep with him because
he is "spoken for"
that is fucked up daisy
and my question is
is teaching our women
to act the same way
really what we need?
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Speechless.
Date: 2001-08-28 01:13 pm (UTC)Provocative post
In a good way
As such
I am speechless
Will respond with more
Later
When I have more time
To think
Thank you for broadening
My mind
~gina~
p.s. It's awesome having you back! :)
no subject
Date: 2001-08-28 10:00 pm (UTC)(just kidding).
Many thoughts on this post but too many for this forum. A couple quick ones - women are not the only ones who want to be independent but have the door open and the date paid for. Many men want a cultural revolution but also want a woman who will occasionally dote on them. Liberation of genders can't totally rule out cheesy romantic stuff.
And there are MANY woman who meet a man who has a girlfriend/wife/partner and every hormone in her body will shrivel in regards to that person. My reaction to a guy who's taken is not "he's more attractive" it's "he's off limits and therefor a eunich". Plus, I know *too many* assholes who are with a woman with no spine who lets him tromple all over her. So much for a girlfriend/wife validating their attractiveness.
Of course, if you are basing your opinions on the reactions of women in singles bars or women who's lives revolve around a hip career and "Ally McBeal" then you're correct. If you are basing it the thousands of women who are busy with families, lives, education, career, whatever - who aren't all about games and "catching a husband" you're generalization breaks down drastically.
no subject
Date: 2001-08-29 08:48 am (UTC)a.talent.i.would.love.to.have
every time i see your icon on my "friends" page, it is the first entry i will read (with the exception of my girlfriend, of course) ;-)
thank you for sharing your thoughts.
no subject
Date: 2001-08-30 09:18 am (UTC)but i will say that the lines
was it an accident?
did they trip on a phone cord and "Whoops" they got fucked?
got me laughing so hard that i made impolite snorting noises. but you didn't need to know that.
no subject
Date: 2001-08-30 06:16 pm (UTC)write
everything sparsely
like it
was
a poem
it's a little
pretentious
oh and i
think you're
a little
chauvanistic
don't projct
your good
or bad
experiences
with
women on
the
rest
of
the
w
o
r
l
d
mmm seems like someone
Date: 2001-08-31 11:47 am (UTC)excited with
their psych 101 class
but to indulge you
I do not consider my words
poetry
nor
do I see it as
pretentious
I think you are
assigning your own
beliefs and issues
to my actions
what's that called again?
oh yes "projecting"
mmm
didn't you mention that
so you did, most interesting.
[oh and you]
[forgot an "e"]
I write how I feel like
writing
[isn't that what]
[personal journals are for?]
perhaps each line and word
has its own space and
emphasis or
maybe I just don't like
the unreadable huge blocks
of text
or
it could be
because my grammar skills are
vastly insufficient
as for my writings
and
your commentary
mr werner
[you wouldn't be related to]
[a brian werner would you]
[as it would explain much]
I invite and encourage
intelligent and witty commentary
in response
[although adoration]
[isn't exactly refused either]
in your case
I fail to see
either wit or intellect
can you not
use your intelligence
[an admitted assumption on my part]
[that you have an adequate quantity]
to provide coherent
and pointed commentary
I am almost insulted
by the lack of substance
if you wish to
debate my statements
please do
I would ask a minimal amount
of intellectual expenditure in the process
but
if you want
to bandy about
trite and banal epithets
and
babble on
with labels from
your psych 101 class
then
don't waste
either of our
time
Re: mmm seems like someone
Date: 2001-09-01 02:22 am (UTC)you have
responded
with
a disproportionate
amount of
biting
retaliation
to my
rather
scant
remarks
even
calling into
question
irrelevant
personal qualities
suggests that
more likely
i struck
a
raw
nerve
sorry
and no
i didn't
even take psych 101
[and i don't spellcheck my journal entries]
and if
you're reading
expressly
for
the
appearance of
intelligence
you're not
reading
intelligently
good night
daniel
[no relation to brian]
*smirk*
Date: 2001-09-01 02:20 pm (UTC)ability
to assign
your own motives
and meanings to
words has me
in awe
I was rather reserved actually,
if you want scathing
I could oblige
strike a nerve?
no
more an annoyance
I invite dissent
I just prefer it
to be stated with
intelligence
and when
someone takes the time
to actually find points to
mention and debate,
it makes said discussion
far more enjoyable.
otherwise it is
simply
more drivel
being dumped
on me
from the bumper sticker
psychology/spirituality
generation
again I
invite you to
think critically
and actually use
statements and responses
to provide backing to
your claims so
an intelligent discussion
can be enjoyed
by all
[I am]
[as I am sure you would be]
[should you ever make brian's]
[acquaintance]
[grateful that there is]
[no relation]